The Informer's Wake Up Story

0:00Oh boy, I tell you what, that wasn't gonna be the selected intro song, but because Jim was playing that as a little intro music, I can't argue with that, Merle Haggard. Oh, boy. Hey, I mean, you like that, huh? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I like Merle Haggard.

0:38And, of course, we thank you all for being with us and for supporting this little two-hour conference with the informer. You can contact us, by the way, by using the chat room, which I'll be in shortly. But I would ask you also to do this and just give us about a half an hour to just lay a foundation down. before we start hitting the questions. There are many that I've already received, but I'm not going to also ask the informant to lay down his credentials. What I'll do is I'll put something up on the website, but most of you who are listening have no problem with where he's coming from and the fact that he's researched as long as he has. If anything, I'll just ask him how long he spent looking into this.

1:20The reason we're doing this is not for any other reason, but to try to breakdown for you folks what's really going on and that there are a lot of false hopes, lies, embellishments and wishful thinking that's going on in the Patriot community. You've got to realize that the Calvary ain't coming and that the fix was in a long, long time ago. We'll just leave it at that. But anyway, I want to thank Big Jim out in Illinois for making this happen and for all of you folks who are hooked in and supporting this two-hour conference. I tell you what, let me just ask you this.

1:56We may have just touched upon this the last time you were on, but when did you realize that something really wasn't right and then how long did you spend checking out that in fact you were correct about what was going on? 1976 and then I started researching in 1982. All right, and was there a triggering moment for you where that cast you into taking, I know there was for me. Yeah, when I first started working in 1954, I hated Social Security and couldn't understand why I had to give money to the government to hold for me when I could do it myself. That's what started me.

2:40All right, so what was the first step you took? I mean, where did you go? Oh, I didn't do anything until 1976 when I got into traffic case where I beat the town and caused them just about ready to go bankrupt. Then I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't pinpoint it. At that time, we had kids and you weren't really worried about government, but that's when it started. It was over a parking ticket. It wasn't even over a traffic moving violation, but over a parking ticket.

3:17at a movie house and I parked in backwards instead of driving in forward where the sign said and I beat that and I made them take all the parking meters out of the town because they were not up to par as to having the proper paperwork with the state filed to do that. I had them open up the road that went around behind the school at the parking lot because you can only go up one way and then turn around and come back out and that was supposed to be an open road.

3:55They ended up having to get rid of two police officers out of four that was in the town and they lost all that revenue and they got fined by the state and I went before the judge and I couldn't understand what he said and he says, You're free to go. I just missed the case. And when I walked out, all the people stood with thumbs up as I walked out. And I didn't realize what I had done until it was in the newspaper. And so for me, I guess you could say rather, I mean, it's cliche, but humble beginnings. Yeah. You start to look deeper into just exactly what the deal was. Right.

4:39And I called the motor vehicle. And before I went to court and I paid a dollar and I got the statute that said that they violated the particular parking ordinance and, you know, I could park anyway I wanted. I could park backwards even though the sign said park forwards. And so I went on that issue too. So they didn't like me too well. I was in a little town next to that town. It was near Fort Dix. Yeah, you're a Jersey boy like I am. Yeah. Were you being a wise guy back then? I went to the movies and I came back out and I had a $4 parking ticket.

5:24I said, what the heck is this? I went back into the movie house and I asked the owner and I said, I just got a ticket out here. He said, I don't know what to tell you. He said, where's your parking? I said, over at the parking meter. It's after 6 o'clock and you don't need to put money in the parking meter. And so I looked at the ticket a little closer and I says, oh, they got me for backing in instead of parking in the correct way that I was supposed to be ordered to do by the sign. So he says, well, he says, I don't know, you can't fight city hall. I just go down and pay it. And I, you know, I, I, I said, screw them.

6:05You know, I said, it's a principle behind the thing because I knew that they can't tell me to park backwards. And then I called the, the state DMV and got that and they put me in touch with the highway department and I explained what happened and they said, oh yeah, well we'll send it to you for a dollar. So they sent it to me and I was right. I didn't have to pull in frontwards on the parking meter and I didn't have to pay the parking meter because naturally it was after 6 o'clock. And I called the guy and I said, well you know, they got that road closed off. They got a big fence there by the school and you can't turn around He got to back down, so I said, I backed down because the car was up there and I happened to see this parking spot and I just wheeled the car back in there and that's it.

6:51He says, what, they closed this road down? I said, yeah. He says, give me some more information. So I gave it to him, so I got all that. So the town had closed the street. It was actually a through street that went up and made a big U shape and come back out on the regular street and they closed it off. And they couldn't do that, so they had to open that up and have the access of that road all the way around. The town just did everything how they wanted to do, and that's where they were making their money. And nobody challenged them. And nobody challenged them until little old me come along, let's see, 76. I was 20 years old. Well, now we look at what you've done for the last 40 years or so, or 40 plus years.

7:37And it hasn't been all about municipal laws. But something obviously got a burrow under your saddle so that you would start to look deeper and deeper, because not only myself, but those who are in this conference and others who may hear this also know something's not really right. We're wondering, I would say, collectively, as to when you finally said, what's going on on the other side of the curtain? Are we necessarily being, one, lied to, and two, in the matrix of somebody else's creation? Yeah, that was in 1982, because that's when I got involved with the IRS.

8:17And one thing led to another, and then the way the government was, and Schiff was going along, and I was like him. I was filing everybody, and I kept losing. And at this particular time, I was in the court and the appeals court, and it seemed to be going along okay until The DOJ from the state walked in and gave it to the judge and the judge asked me, did I have a comment? I said, I just got it right now. The minute you got it is when I got it, so how can I make a comment? I've got to read through 40 pages? That's when they hand me a brief shift. I just lost the case in Connecticut. Is this the shift that goes around protesting the IRS? Right.

9:02He lived in Connecticut at the time. Also, I mean, if you can, is there any way you can boost your volume a little bit? We're hearing that you're a little bit low. No, I don't think I can. Okay. Well, then put the phone in your mouth. Okay. All right. No problem. Go ahead. Go on with the story about what happened after Schiff. Schiff had lost and the state came in and said that my argument was the same as Schiff. I called Schiff and I said, hey, you know, what happened? What you're doing, everything that you're doing and everybody else is doing is totally wrong. So I'm going to stop following what you and everybody else is saying and go do my own research. And that was in 82. All right. And that led you down the IRS situation, right? Uh-huh.

9:46And one thing snowballed into more because the more you got involved with it, the more you find out. And this is real library work. This is not internet work. I know. I know. And you go into the library, and you pull a book out looking for something, and it catches your eye. And you say, OK, I'm going to look at this later. Of course, you forget about it. And you go back to find what you were trying to think about, and you can't find it. So I got in the habit of sticking the library books with little stickums. I remember that. And so then one thing leads to another. And by just stumbling across this stuff, You start to get a picture of what you're looking for, so then the next time you go back in, you know what you're going to look for, but you don't exactly know where they have it and what book.

10:39I'll just say this, and again, we'll cut a little quicker to the premise of this whole show, but I would say this. There was a time when I sat back before I even knew about you, and I kept pursuing what I felt was the path to find out, okay, look, I don't care where this leads. Just let me know what's going on. I'm all right with it. Whatever it is, it is. The last thing beyond all this, I said, oh my goodness, probably in a little bit more expletive terms. I said, could this whole deal about the US and our founding fathers and all this stuff be a crock? I don't know what happened after that, but I started looking for you. You never sought me out. You're a private person and would like to be that way.

11:23I importuned you and I said, listen, Can you help me? My instinct is right about this. Can you point me? You did. The point of the matter is we are in a fair land. Oh, yeah. That is what I guess me and Montgomery had found this out. I found about 1990, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I was believing the Constitution was going to save everybody and you could do this and that. They've got to listen to you and the courts have to, you know, the law is the law and what it is and that's passe now.

12:01I mean, I was just as ignorant as everybody else when it comes to that and that's what led me into believing after reading case upon case and you always go to the end of the case. You read the decision of the case, now you go back to the very beginning and you start going down through the case to get to the end where the outcome is going to be, and it takes on a whole new light as to what they're doing. To get there. Instead of going down and you're saying, hey, the guy can win, the guy can win, the guy, well, no, maybe, yeah. You get down to the end and the guy lost. All right.

12:41And backwards, and doing the change backwards, you get a better perspective of how they are thinking. Okay. And again, if you're in proximity to the computer, just be aware of that. Right. Okay. I'm quite a ways away from it. Okay. I know it only gets me some break up. All right. Do that as it may. And somebody asked just how I found you. But as I just stated, I just sat here and said, okay, how deep does this run? And I don't know, Iman, how I did it, but I came to you.

13:14I probably went to ATG Press, and I'll tell folks right now, if you want to find the writings of the informer and James Montgomery, you can do that by going to ATG. That stands for Against the Grain, Adam Thomas Grass, apgpress.com, and you'll see it's all there. That will help you do a great deal. The Eye Man has books that are available. We'll talk about that in a little bit. But in the meantime, let's get into the nitty gritty because the vision I had and that which I shared also with Eye Man, he seemed to be okay with it. And that was to try to do something that was encapsulated. We've done a lot of shows. We'll repeat some stuff.

13:55But this would at least be concentrated into a two-hour block where people could sit there and listen to it and say, okay, now I got it. And don't have to go through hours and hours where we go on other digressions And this one is going to be the nitty-gritty. And so let's get to the very beginning of the beginning. First of all, as you stated time and time again, it's all about semantics. It's all about terms and terminology. But as it pertains to this nation, we think of it as the United States. We think of it as the United States of America. We think about it as America. Could you just break down what those three mean? And is it important not to mix up What's the United States, what's the United States of America, and what's America?

14:40Okay, the United States is a place, a thing. It's a noun, and it's capital of the United States of America. The wall of unanimous declaration has a declaration by the representatives of the United States of America, all capital letters, in general Congress assembled. Well, the United States is actually Congress assembled. That's it. Wherever Congress assembled, that's the United States. All right. United States equals Congress assembled. Right. OK. Now, for the term United States of America, a lot of times you look at that. And in cases, it'll say United States.

15:20And then when it gets into the real nitty-gritty of the case, right underneath in the beginning, it says United States of America. There is no difference. What it is is if you take that and you say United States, you know that that's Congress assembled. of, that means it belongs to. The next word in the sentence, America. America is a country. The United States is not a country. The United States is actually Congress-assembled and it represents the United States, actually represents a subdivision of the crown. All right, now the point going ... The word America ... Okay.

16:05It doesn't matter whether you use the United States or the United States of America. It's the same thing. It is like the shoe and the box. The shoe of the box. Well, the shoe is in the box, isn't it? Well, it came out of the box. It belongs into the box. Therefore, you can say the shoe or the shoe of the box. All right. Let me try to get this straight. What you're talking about is the Congress assembled as the United States, and it happens to be the shoe that's inside the box called America. Right, and the box is America.

16:41All right, now you made a point, and I think we ought to bring this out here because we're not being nitpicking, and that is America is what everybody in the old world referred to this continent as, or at least this... Yes, if you go out and you go look at the old maps, you will see it says America. Some of the material that I caught on there on what I've been just researching about the crown and everything like that, it says on the net, you can go in and anybody can pull it up. Type in the history of the American presidents. It doesn't say United States presidents. It says American presidents, meaning that the presidents of what's in America is the presidents of the United States.

17:25Now, when you actually get in and you listen to the introduction of the president in any congressional hearings or any speeches that he gives, it says, I now introduce the president of the United States. They do not put up America. Because that's a separate entity in and of himself, because he's not the president of all the states. Well, he is now because of their all territories. But originally, it was the states were independent.

17:59And the president was only the president of the United States because if every governor signed a law and he would have to present it to the president of the United States of America, they wouldn't get anything done. In other words, he can't be the president of all 50 states. He's only the president of the United States. And in the John Barron case, They actually came out and the Supreme Court gave that dictation and explained why John Barron couldn't use the Fifth Amendment because he wasn't a party actually to be able to invoke the Fifth Amendment because it only applied to those people in the United States and the states were ignored by the first Bill of Rights which actually carried its own preamble.

18:54Okay, now I'll stop you there because people are going to get a little bit entwined and I'm just trying to straighten this thing out because we're going to revisit or revisit some of these sectors. So here's an interesting point and that is the President is always introduced as we see every time he walks in for a State of the Union address as the President of the United States. That's because he's the head, he's the poobah for the District of Columbia. Right. All right. Now, United States of America, you can't speak for the 50 states. No. That's all that means. But in a court case, when they say United States of America versus John Doe, well, you can delete America, the word of America, and just put United States.

19:39It's the same thing. It doesn't matter. It's just that the United States is in a country called America. Like the shoe is in the box, called the shoe box. All right, now we have this thing called the United States. And are you saying then that this is something ephemeral? It is a concoction, if you will, a construct that is not really geographical but is laid over a geographical nation, which is the United States. Right. Hoeven and Allison versus Evatt in 1925 gave the distinction of three definitions that you could use for the term United States.

20:17It only meant what Hoeven and Allison said, that it can be a distinct thing in the District of Columbia. It can be the country as a whole referred to as the United States. The last one, I can't remember, but it was immaterial. But yeah, if you look at the United States and the United States of America, they're one and the same. It doesn't matter. You can use them interchangeably. OK. All right. In fact, I had asked somebody who had risen a question in the chat room about this. But you know, it may not be a bad time. A claim of right has asked.

21:02And if we go a little further, I'll just ask you to hang in there. Because I mean, for the most part, you've got all the information. I can sit here. I'm going to ask. basically play the part of somebody who's never heard this before. Of course, I'm kind of dense, so in a way, it's kind of the same. I'll bring you back. I know you're okay with that. You and I have done all that stuff. We're all right. Clay McBride has asked something. He said, looking at that whole construct with the definitions of the United States and the United States of America, Clay McBride is asking, is there an equivalent for England? Is the UK analogous to the United States, which he wrote in caps. I don't know if you know what he was doing there, but it's okay. Is the UK broken down just like we are? Because we know we are in total England.

21:47Can you speak to that? The United Kingdom would mean everything that the United Kingdom owns in the world. It said the sun never set on the British Empire. The United Kingdom is a British Empire and it's not just England itself. It is China, parts of the Philippines, parts of the Mariana Islands, parts of South America, Canada, the United States, the West Indies, all those countries that were in the British Empire or the United Kingdom. That's why they call it the United Kingdom.

22:31When you say the British Empire, you're meaning everything in the world that Great Britain owned at one time. But if you're talking about Great Britain, now you're just talking about England itself, that island that's off the coast of Europe. But do they experience then, I mean, you know, there's some light bulbs over there in the UK who understand what's going on, but are they dealing with the same thing we are in a sense that ... Yeah, basically, yes. I mean, they have a parliament and they have the queen and the king. Right. Yeah, okay. All right, so you would say that then in essence, this isn't something that is necessarily just endemic to the UK or the United States.

23:16No. This is something that's a governmental thing, of course, if you will, and I mean this word in every term possible, in every meaning possible, it is diabolical. Yes, definitely, yeah. Okay. Thank you, Roman Empire. I mean, look how much they owned. It wasn't just Italy. It was spread all over. Well, ironic, and again, this is like another whole five hours, but the thing is, you raise a good point. Are we not looking at the second coming of the Holy Roman Empire? Yeah, definitely. You sound a little contentious there.

23:55From what I just found, the Pope did own Great Britain back in 1215 and he owned all the subjects and all the land that Britain owned and that's why he claims to be the owner of all the property in the world because that is one of the tenets of the Catholic Church that no private man can ever own property. The vicar of Christ has to own the property first. We have two things going on here and let me try to balance this to be very clear about what's going on here. When we talk about the crown, we can also talk about Washington. It's a very all-encompassing term. When we look at the crown, are we talking about the city of London?

24:40Are we talking about what now is the power base? And that is the Rothschilds, who ensconced themselves in the city of London. Would that be fair? That may not be the way, obviously, before they gained power in the days of the American Revolution. How does that work out? Well, the crown itself could be used to the kings and the queens. That was the crown of England, of the British. Empire, not the British Empire, but Great Britain. But now you also have the crown, which is the exchequer of the king in the city of London, a totally separate entity from the crown, meaning the king.

25:22So this is where a lot of people get confused if they don't know exactly what crown they're talking about. But the crown, yes, the crown actually owns and it operates the world and has put us in this mess that we're in today in America. Alright, so when we talk about the Crown right now, what is that referring to? The Bank of England. And that is run by the? That is run by the international bankers that, if you look at the Federal Reserve, they are the same people that own the Bank of England. Alright, are we looking at the Rothschilds? Well, it wasn't the Rothschilds before. But it was when they came in to be the first bank in the United States.

26:06See, the first bank of the United States, it didn't say the first bank of the United States of America, did it? It says the first bank of the United States. So when Washington created the War Powers Act of 1792 to obfuscate the directives from the Crown, in writing the Constitution, he in 1792 decided that he was going to bring in the first bank because you see the Crown wrote the law that this country could not operate with paper money and it had to be gold and silver. It wasn't the founding fathers that set this up. It wasn't Congress.

26:49It was the British Crown because it was better to control the subdivision that they just formed called the United States. and they would not allow them to use, and this goes back to 1751 when the British Board of Trade wrote the first act to stymie this country because this country could not get enough gold and therefore they had to issue the Massachusetts Bay Note and this is how they prospered from 1751 all the way up until when the Revolutionary War took place. So we can say that the Massachusetts Bay Note was backed by real reserves and work.

27:30Well, it was backed by wool, corn, all the commodities and was non-inflatable. The only currency in the entire world that has never been inflatable because if you took this note and you went in and say you sold something and you got this note, and it said, you get so much in sheep's wool, corn, leather, and whatnot. You could go back 20 years from then, in the future, present the note, and get the same amount, no matter what the price is, you got the same amount of wool, corn, leather, and the other commodity that was there.

28:13But there was something real that stood for something that was a substitute. Everybody used that. It's not like today. Because everybody generally was a farmer and worked with their hands. There was no Wall Street then. There was no businesses like, there were small businesses, but nothing big like today. No GM, no IBM, no Exxon Oil Company or anything like that. When I want to ask you, a client asked in the chat room, is there a company name for England? I mean, we know we have a corporation here. Is there a corporation there as well?

28:55Well, it's not a corporation like ... Well, it is. It's the Divine Right of Kings. They had their own corporation, if you wanted to call it a corporation. Okay. But over here, you can go on to ... Manta or Dun & Bradstreet and you can type in the United States and find out that it is a corporation. That is true and folks you can do that and again as Iman said, go to Manta, that's M-A-N-T-A dot com. I would also say Veromi dot net and you can type in, well what did you type in to find out that Manta came up?

29:35When you go to Manta, up in the upper left hand corner it says type in the name of your corporation. Well, you can type in the United States, the IRS, the judiciary of any state. You can even type in the Congress or the Senate of the United States and you will find out that they are a private corporation. It will tell you when it was created, how many people there are. who is the head CEO in whole New York. Well, the rich part of that is because then they are not under any kind of control by we, the plebiscite.

30:20That's right, because we never created the Constitution. It was created by the British Crown dictating to the founding fathers that this is what they were to write in the Constitution. This is a feigned war that they had, a revolutionary war. We never won it, by the way. That can be proven. Montgomery has proven it and I've proven it on ATG Press. The good thing that a lot of people can do is go to the ATG Press and go to Knowledge and Freedom and scroll down until you get to 25 answers to the 25 questions presented to James Montgomery and you don't have to go read the rest of all the pretty long articles and they're actually the real documents from the King, from the Pope and from any dignitary and any government and he actually put the exact readings into the Pope, into the document that he was doing, the article and it's like you're back in those days reading exactly what they said because he put it word for word, a direct quote right out of it, instead of putting it in like his words because he didn't want to miss anything and that's how he put it in there.

31:46So everything you read is actual documents from President Washington and everything and so on and so forth. Alright, so in response to the individual, Clement Wright, who asked about Is there a corporate name or company name equivalent to England? None for England, no. No, but we still deal with ... Oh, well, yeah. If you want to, in the law of nations, say you want to say it's the United Kingdom, well, that's a corporation of the king. That's plain and simple. It's no longer a corporation belonging to the king because it belongs to the pope. But it actually, in retrospect, it belongs to the crown because the king and the pope, when they were fighting and then the crusades went on, They fronted both of those parties and they are both beholding to the Crown.

32:38We'll get more involved with the Pope later on. That's for a little bit later. It won't make as much sense unless we go where we're going to go now. Let me go back to the outline which is the American Revolution, I would contend that We didn't win it. No. Okay. And you were talking before about King George, and the thing is, and somebody also emailed me, who I believe is listening right now from the UK, stating that, isn't it interesting that King George referred to himself in the drafting of the Treaty of Paris, that he was the elector of the Holy Roman Empire and of America? Right.

33:20Now, the thing is, if you win a war, you draft the terms. If we won the revolution, why is King George laying out the yada yada? Yeah, because he really didn't win it and put it this way. In 1215, when he turned everything over to the Pope, he had no kingdom. He had to turn his whole kingdom and all the subjects over to the Pope. Then we have to stop there because people are going to freak out when they hear this. Why did he have to turn it over to the Pope?

33:57Because the Pope was excommunicated and what he did was he was so afraid that he would lose his soul and it wouldn't go to heaven that the Pope cut him a deal and said, I will re-communicate your soul so it will go to heaven but in turn you must turn over all your subjects and all your kingdom to me. Which king was worried that he'd go to hell? Was it George? Yeah, King George. That was, darn it, I can't think. There was Benedict and George. And George was the one that died, I think. It was Benedict that right after that took over. Well, how far back are we going century-wise? 1215.

34:41Oh, jeez, OK. OK. Yeah, this is 1215. The King didn't want to have Stephen Langton, who was the Archbishop of the Church of England, totally separate from England. He hated him and didn't want him to come in. This is what the big fight was in 1213. He finally had to recapitulate because that's when the Pope was fighting England and the bank, the crown.

35:16which was actually the King's Exchequer, told him that, you know, we've got a fight going on between you guys and we're fronting you the money, both of you, so that's how they do it today. That's why he recapitulated and allowed the Archbishop Lankton to come in to be the head of the Church of England. And then right after that is when he was excommunicated, his soul, and that's when the Pope read him out of scriptures what would happen to him and the only time the Pope ever did it.

35:59And so that put the fear of God into the king and he relented and turned all of his property and all of his subjects over. Okay, now let's move up to 1783. Okay? Now what happened in 1783 is if the pope had turned all this property over, how can he release his subjects over here and then let his land go when it was owned by someone else? He can't. It's in law. It's impossibility because it's international law. So what happened was when he wrote the Treaty of Peace in 1783, This is King George who wrote that.

36:44Yeah, and that's why when he wrote it, it was he dictated all the parameters. If you notice when you read in there, and this is what people have to understand, that it's not the words that you see as themselves being merged, but it's the terms under legal indoctrination. that sets the matter and the King then took charge of everything and laid out the terms of the Treaty of Peace. It wasn't like MacArthur did in 1945 on the battleship on the deck when he had the Japan's Prime Minister there and everybody.

37:25He dictated the terms and said Japan couldn't have an army, they couldn't have this, they couldn't have that, they'd have to be occupied for so many years. and everything. Well, the king dictated to the people that were sent over there, Adams and Jay and all them, and instead of Adams and Jay saying, look, you took away this and this and this and this, you wouldn't let us do this, screw you, here's what we're going to do. You don't see that in the Treaty of Peace.

38:02He then could not give up the land so what he did is he took and said that, okay, I own all the mineral rights of gold, silver and copper. Well, okay, if someone owns the mineral rights they own the property because whoever rents that property the king can come in and drill down and mine what they want out of the land and you have no say, you know you've got a deed to the top soil of the land, you don't have a deed to the mineral rights. Alright, so then would I be accurate in saying, as I would suppose, independent of what we've talked about, that whenever you look at your mortgage and such in capped letters and stuff, you're still a tenant.

38:47Oh yeah, because the mortgage, if you look at it, what is a mortgage when you break the word down? It's the same as mort main. It's a dead man's hand. What happened was so many people in England were turning over their property to the church that the king had to stop it because all of his property was going to the church. The pope was slowly gaining property this way and that's why they call it mort main, which translates over into the United States as a mortgage. It's a dead man's hand of the land, which he can give to anybody he wants.

39:28And the king didn't like that, so he stopped the Mort Main, and they could no longer do it. Let me stop right there also. And Big Jim, who's producing this show, says, you mean I'm still renting? You're right, Jim. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's still renting, because he's a tenant. If you look at your property deed, why do you get title insurance Does anybody know that, why you get title insurance? Because it's something that happens to your house. Well, yeah. But when you get title insurance, it goes through international law. It goes through banking. It goes through insurance, which is Admiralty principles of maritime jurisdiction.

40:13And therefore, the state owns that because their name is on that deed. And they are protected. by title insurance it's not that you are protected but it is the state that is protected and one man in North Carolina found this out and he has been trying for I don't know how long because when he turned it over to the attorney the attorney went right down and got title insurance on it and he forbid them to do that and he didn't know that this attorney did it. So he went back and that's when he found out that the state has an interest in your title, insurance, because it is named as part of the insurer or a loss payee.

41:03All right. I want to do a little business with you before you do that. But we got a last question here I want to inject into our discussion. And a listener said, I thought Adams and Jay wrote the Treaty of 93, but that's 83 I think he's talking about, isn't it? No, it was 1992. 1792 was the Jay Treaty. Okay, well good. They went back over into England to straighten this out. And they couldn't really straighten it out because that's when Jay, they're all lawyers. You know, Adams and Jay and all those people that went over there, they're all lawyers. They're all from the British Crown. Well, actually they're from the Crown Temple.

41:49which was the Exchequer's legal department. Now, let me ask you this. When they bear that title and they have that office, does that transcend national boundaries? Yes. So they're lawyers beyond anything else? Right. OK. All right. Please continue. Thank you. And so when they couldn't settle it out in 1792, what happened in 1812? We had another war with England. Now, under international law, when you go in and read it, anybody can go and pick international law under war. and treaty. Now, if you read that, you will find that any warring nations, two of them, the only way that you can prevent and end a war is by treaty.

42:32The United States, any war it has to do, and I've got the book on it, it says that in order to end any war, there must be a treaty. It can't be Congress declaring, that's the end of war. It has to be by treaty. Now, let me ask you this. The reason why it can't be by Congress is that when you deal with a treaty, you're dealing with other nations. It isn't endemic to a certain country. You're dealing with another one. Therefore, this has to go outside the purview of Congress. Now, what happened was when either of the two nations create a war, that eliminates all treaties proceeded right after the war, the first war.

43:17So that meant the Treaty of 1783 is nulled. The Treaty of 1792 was nulled. And what does it revert back to? It reverts back to the Declaration of Rights of Virginia of 1603. And that means it puts everybody back under British rule, it's British soil, and that's it. It's done. Okay so then we just got something in the chat room saying 1783 was the first one but now what you just said was that was vitiated by nothing else but 1812. So we're all a bunch of serfs now going back to 1603. Yeah and that's why they had the Treaty of Verona in 1822.

44:00Well that's another interesting situation. Oh yeah and I would say everybody should get the Treaty of Verona It wasn't a secret treaty, it's no secret any longer, but I do have it in here. I don't have it at hand to read on it, but the Pope controlled everything in the Treaty of Verona. Well, that's when they turned around and said, listen, we don't like this Republican spirit of nations and we're not going to let this go on any longer. Right. Now, I will say this, the Vatican did not inject itself into that treaty, however, that was obviously a conference that was held in Verona. Well, it was because, you see, it says the Holy Roman Empire.

44:46Who was the head of the Holy Roman Empire? The Vatican. Yeah, but it's easy to say, look, this happened in Verona. It didn't happen in Rome. Oh yeah, that's right. Would I say that that little, what would I want to call it? It's a little misdirection. I'm looking for a more energy that word and of course I'm not going to come up with that, but I think that that was a deliberate kind of bending away so that the focus wouldn't be on Rome. Oh, it happened in Burona. But the Vatican was a party to it. Again, I don't think that you can nail them No, it's not specific enough. You have to know what was going on in interest of time.

45:31Of course, people can say, okay, this isn't true. Fine. There are works like Burt McCarty, also Charles D. Wilcox, who has talked about this as well. What was that all about? We're not going to go through this little inspiration to revolt against the powers that be. This is going to come to an end. Right. All right, listen, we've gone so far, and I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to do this. So let's do this now. Again, you're listening to the informer. We thank you all for being here. Big Jim, we thank you for producing this. And I'm in. You have some books out there. What is the deal if people want to get their hands on them?

46:11OK, well, I figured, well, being on holidays and everything, being like it is, that I would take the Which One Are You book. the Big Lie 3 book and the New History of America. I'd make the first two $45 each and the New History of America $25. Shipping is included in that. You don't have to pay shipping. The new book I'm coming out with, I don't know when it will be out. I'm working on it right now. I'm up to 19 pages. I don't know how many more pages it will take.

46:54I'm going to try to see if I can get an arrangement out to keep the book somewhere between $10 and $15. That's pretty fair. Don't hold me to that because, like I say, I've got a lot more. This goes into how the Crown dictated to the United States, to the framers, what to put in the Constitution. and it was a sub-corporation of the crown and it goes back to the british board of trade that was instrumental in doing everything and everybody says well what's the British Board of Trade got to do with it? Well, let me tell you.

47:36I went in and I got it out of the UK history library, believe it or not. And where'd you find this? I found it online. Really? Yep. And I didn't think I would but it's the Council of Trade and Plantations 1696 to 1782, and it said the Council of Foreign Trade and Foreign Plantations of 1696 was appointed by the Crown, by commission under the Great Seal. It was composed of various unsullied ex officio commissioners who were not expected to attend the board regularly, and it would be the commissioners or the holders of office of Lord Chancellor or Lord Keeper.

48:20the Lord President of the Council, the Lord Privy Seal, the Lord Treasurer of the First Lord of Treasury, the Lord Admiral and First Lord of Admiralty, Secretary of State and Chancellor to the Exchequer, which is the Bank of England, to the Bishop of London in 1702 and the Surveyor and Auditor General of Plantations in 1791. Now, let's go back and look at who was appointed in 1696. As what? As the Board of Trade which regulated British colonial holdings overseas. November 28th.

49:02Now, a lot of people know Story, Blackstone, Pufendorf, John Locke, and all these champions of freedom, right? Well, guess what? Who was appointed May 15th, 1696, Amongst all the people was John Locke. In 1697, John Locke. In 1699, John Locke. Locke was for democracy, not a republic. In fact, it was on the British Board of Trade that dictated to the colonies that they were to use no paper, only gold and silver, so the Crown could better control the people in the colonies. Locke was even appointed to the British Board of Trade to suggest this.

49:47Locke was appointed to deploy trade and instrumental in the Act of 1751 that forbid the colonies to use anything but gold and silver and they could not install a banking system and forbid the colonies to use paper money as they had done. So in other words, John Locke, who was supposed to be this person, was so champion of freedom and stuff, he was just the opposite.

50:18a lot uh... lock was for the crown not the people to stop what he wrote and in fact franklin ben franklin was charged into the board sport of trade and i'll read you a direct quote right out of the of franklin's speech to the british board of trade okay and it says uh... this is on the decree that they could only use gold and sore To the contrary, paper money that served as a name of exchange and credit had made possible for the growth of the colonies and their trade that had profited England by providing greater facility and convenience in trade than does barter and was the only alternate in the face of the shortage of British coins."

51:15That shows the con job, which I call the Constitution. Everybody calls it the Constitution. I call it the con job. It was to sell out of the people as it was written by the Crown, and the framers were nothing but puppets. And the reason why is because the Crown said, OK, we're going to run a blockade against you in America because you have no Navy. You have no Army. We control the seas. And we'll run a blockade, and we will confiscate every piece of property in England and Europe that you own.

51:52And you will be destitute in your own little world over there, and we will finally rule you again. So what you're saying, though, is that England said, OK, we don't have to fight anymore. We don't have to share any blood. We don't have to pay mercenaries to come over and do our stuff. That's right. We're going to grab you by the financial short airs, and either you wake up But really, they didn't have to invade. It was all about finances. That's all about finances. And what you're saying is also, and of course it is there in the record, we're going to talk about some of the sources of information that everybody can look toward. Oh yeah, yeah. They can go and pick this up in, well, not that particular thing that I had. No. But the very beginning of it is the quote, yeah.

52:37That is from, just go online and go to the UK. Oh, what the heck is it? The British Board of Trade. Just type in United Kingdom, the British Board of Trade. It'll come up. And I don't have the exact thing right here. No, that's OK. We'll put that up on a site later on. Yes, UK History Library is where it come from. Council of Trade and Plantations, 1996 to 1782. And we're going to break pretty soon for the top of the hour. And the first of the two hours are going to deal with you. But we're talking about it, it's all about money. It's always been about all about money. Always been about money.

53:18So the founding fathers found themselves basically pressed against the wall and they turned around and they gave us up to say their own answers. That's exactly what they did. Because they looked down on us, the commoner, as the same as Warren Buffet and Gates and the president and CEO of GM and all the Chrysler people. We're on a different level. We're on a different plane than what they are. They've got a lot more they say to lose and they're protecting their own butts just like the bailout. Where's all the money coming from? It ain't coming from the Federal Reserve. They don't have any.

54:00They could print it and really cause an inflation and really a drop in everything quicker than what I've figured about 100 days from December the 1st. All right, so what we're looking at, and we're coming up on the top of the hour, in the second hour we're going to talk about the Constitution, and everybody gets all freaked out about it. I mean, you and I have gone back about this. Any of the listeners who were here yesterday and those who will listen later on are like we've all been. We've got the Constitution. The Constitution is where it's at, but really that's been a scam as well. And the founding fathers, and the one thing I find most reprehensible is the fact that they would allow themselves to be coined as fathers because they are anything but patriarchs.

54:48Do you know in the definition of international law that founding, the word founding fathers means an illusionary corporation? Wait a minute. Let's think that again. Founding fathers in what dictionary? In international law, anything that is founding is a founding of an illusionary corporation. Ella, I can't pronounce it right, illusionary organization which is like... It doesn't exist. Yeah, right. It's ephemeral. It isn't there. I mean it's there but it's not there. You can't grab it. It's not tangible. It's a fiction.

55:32The thing that they would call themselves fathers, and I have to tell you this, if anybody's ever read on that Avalon site, which I think you would say is pretty good as far as I'm concerned. Oh yeah, it is very good. What Jefferson had written to the Native American people, oh my God, I am your father and you're my children. I hurled. Well, the same way if you look at the Bible, it says, he says, the Lord, call no man your father. Yep. Call no man a father. No, it's the father of the priest in the Catholic Church. You don't call him father. Why would you call him a father?

56:06If the Lord is the Father, your human father is an offshoot of the Lord and that's why he commanded no one to call no man, no father. That's what he said. All right. We're going to go to a break. We're going to take about four minutes, folks. That's about it, like four minutes and ten seconds. We're going to rejoin this discussion with V.I. Mann with regard and we're going to get heavily into the Constitution. So in the second hour, we're going to really get into the nuts and bolts of this. And again, we'll be about four minutes, so if everybody's going to take a potty break or whatever you're going to do, do it now. And Jim, you can roll that music. I'm in. I'll see you in about four minutes. Okay. Thank you.

57:02Take back the holly and mistletoe. Silver bells don't scream. With a letter to Santa Claus.

57:21I will ask for just the one thing I don't need playwrights in the snow Don't want Christmas at the loo Take back the tinsel, stockings and bows Cause all I want for Christmas is They don't matter to me All that I want can't be found underneath the Christmas tree You are the angel atop my tree You are my dream coming true Said I can't bring me what I need Cause all I want for Christmas is you They don't matter to me All that I want I can't be found Underneath the Christmas tree You are the angel that's on my dream Better can't bring me what I need Cause all I want for Christmas is you Cause all I want for Christmas is you Cause all I want for Christmas is you Yeah, well here we are after our break music and that song always makes me cry and we don't mind identifying that the time of this interview is at the Christmas season.

1:00:37We're recording this on December 20th and we are here with the informer who's been with us for a while now but we kind of wanted to do something that was a bit of a primer and try to condense it as much as we could into a two hour show knowing that also you folks would have questions as well. Now, Iman, if we, I think we might, well, let me do this. If we can pop this along, because we don't have to explain everything right here. I mean, your works do that, and we're not trying to sucker anybody into buying anything, but let's face it, folks. I mean, you can't break it all down, like the history of the world in two hours. No. No. That's just undid possible. But let's lay this out.

1:01:20The British Board of Trade, I ask you this. It was around, I mean, this thing has been around for forever. What was it and are we looking at the Fed, our Fed, as being an extension of that British Board of Trade? No, it's actually an extension of the Exchequer. Of the Bank of England? Of the Crown, which is the Bank of England. Okay. In other words, when they installed that over here, that was already installed as the Bank of England. Okay.

1:01:53all right uh... it's pretty hard what i'm going to do and i'm going to try to bring it is very hard to understand this because the constitution is written in very highly technical language and most people say oh no we created it and the Irish person should be able to understand it it is because i'm going to review an excerpt from whiting he was uh... lincoln's war power solicitor general Now, this is right out of Whiting's book. What year would this be also? 1861. The book is published 1861, 2, 3, 4, and then a few years after that.

1:02:36Now, this is not my words. This is Whiting's own words. Technical language to be construed technically. The language of the Constitution is peculiar. It is technical. It shows on the face of it an intention to limit the technical operation of attainders, not to limit the scope or extent of legislative penalties. If the authors of the Constitution meant to say that Congress should pass no law punishing treason by attender, or by its consequences vis forfeiture of a state, corruption of blood, they would in plain terms have said so.

1:03:22Everybody thinks that's what it means. So there would have been an end to the attainder's penalties, as there was an end to bill of attainder. Instead of saying, quote, Congress shall have the powers to declare the punishment of treason, but shall not impose the penalties of attainder upon the offender, they said, and here's what they really said, Congress shall have the power to declare the punishment of treason, no change, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted." End of quote.

1:04:06This phraseology has reference only to technical effect of attainder. The, quote, a working of forfeitures, end quote, as a phrase used by lawyers to show the legal result or effect which arises from a certain set of facts. Note, since the publication of the seventh edition has been decided by Underwood J. in the Eastern District Court of the U.S. for Virginia in the case of U.S. versus Lantham, first that the Confiscation Act above cited is authorized by the Constitution Second, that by terms of that act dated July 17th, 1862, chapter 195, as modified by the joint resolution of July 27th, 1862, number 63, the punishment of treason is not limited to forfeiture of the life estate of the offender and is not required to be so limited by the Constitution, but the forfeiture extends to the entire estate of fee simple.

1:05:15end of Whiting's quote. Right there. End of fee simple. We pay a fee, a simple fee, when you buy property because it's always in fee simple. It means you never own the property. We'll never own the property. Ever. All right. And I understand that. And we've stated that. And that's why it says, tenants in common, in common to what? What? OK, now. Here is where the common comes in. The state is the other common because they are a party to it and they insured their property and that's why you have to get title insurance. Okay, are you talking about the state as being the overlaying state?

1:06:01Yes. All right, so if you're in Florida or North Carolina? The fictum state. In other words, this is for the state of North Carolina in all capitals. That's the corporate state, overlying the land mass that rises above the land mass and the water and whatnot. What we're dealing with is an invisible but corporate. Yeah, corporate entity. Right. I said before overlay and I think Randy in the chat room said that's beautiful because that's what the UN uses all the time. Oh yeah. This irony should not be lost on us because the point is they're telling us you idiots, you think you own it but you don't. That's right.

1:06:45That's why no one can ever get a lodeo title. It can never happen. Now, here's one thing. I'm going to read this direct quote, because everybody knows about Obama and not being a citizen and all this, as everybody heard. The guy in Florida, the guy in Jersey. OK. Now, here's the constitutional requirement for the president. You've got to read this. Remember, Whiting said it's very technical, highly technical. The words that you felt as a citizen or a citizen of the United States, comma. at the time of the adoption of this Constitution. You got that? All right. When was the Constitution adopted? 1783, 7? 7. 87, okay. Comment.

1:07:30Shall be eligible for the office of President. Comment. Neither shall any person be eligible for that office, shall have not attained the age of 35, and been 14 years a resident within the United States. Stop. Now, now tell me, 1787, add 14 years and when can that first president be elected? How many years after the fact? Since 1787. Add 14 years to 1787 and what year can the president be first installed under constitutional principle? Well, you're looking at what? Just across the 1800s? 1801. Yeah, okay. Okay. Now, let's go.

1:08:16And here, the requirements for Congress are seven years as a citizen and the Senate nine years as a citizen. Okay? So now, the historical fact is the United States never existed before 1787 when it was created. How could it? It was all Confederacy, wasn't it? All right, so 1783. The Crown just said, okay, you guys are states, but that really didn't incorporate the United States until 1787. No, they were colonies because if you go and pull the original 13th Constitution, which I did, they all say colonies.

1:09:02They didn't say states. All right, so 1787, we've got a corporate United States. Right, 1787. Okay. Now, so the historical fact is that Technically, it never existed until the year 1787 when it was adopted. The Constitution was adopted only by those few that drafted it. It was never put to the people to ratify it or adopt it because the Crown dictated the parameters for the founding fathers so that they could still control their property, the Crown's property, that was never given up by the Revolutionary War. Now, here is the membership of the first Congress convened under the Constitution. And I pulled this out from the library.

1:09:46President of the Senate, John Adams. President Pro Tem, John Langdon. Speaker of the House, Frederick Mullenberg. Members, 22 to 26 senators and 59 to 64 representatives. That's all there was. That's all the people in the Constitution. Wasn't me, wasn't you, wasn't our relatives way back yonder. The meeting was March 4th, 1789 to September 29th, 1797. They met three times. Now, I went back in and I says, okay, because Obama, you can thank Obama for my getting into this.

1:10:28I had to go online and I found from the government's own history of presidents document found on the internet, and you can't find everything in one section. They do not tell you, they hide it. Here's what it said. George Washington was born in Westmoreland County, Virginia, February 22nd, 1732. He was the first U.S. president serving from 1789 to 1797, but was born a British subject. And the same way for John Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, William Henry Harrison, and... William Buren?

1:11:10Van Buren and all those people. So now I got that from the publishing company source that quoted everything that I had to go in and find another one. And it gave all the presidents but it gave little known facts. And this is where it comes in and it says Martin Van Buren born December 5, 1782. Uh oh, he was born five years before 1787. Before the colonies became states. Yeah. Therefore he's a British subject. Yeah. But it says, now listen to this, he was the eighth president.

1:11:53He was also the only president not to have spoken English as a first language, having grown up speaking Dutch and was the first natural born U.S. citizen to become president. They lied. They totally lied because book at 1780 and created the United States. So how could he be called the citizen of the United States five years before it was created? It's an impossibility at all. People don't look at it this way. No, but this whole thing about Obama now, which you're saying, it's like what's the big deal? Yeah, that's why he would come in and that's why the courts would say it. Now listen to this. William Henry Harrison, Harrison was born in Benjamin Harrison, the signer of the Declaration of Independence.

1:12:40Harrison was, in fact, a sicon of the Virginia Planner aristocracy. He was born on February 9, 1773, Charles County, Virginia, born of Benjamin Harrison and Elizabeth Bassett. Harrison was the last president who was born a British subject. Ah, right? No, no, no, no. Now, let's go on. I said, so now, let's go on and find out Who was the real first President of the United States that actually could hold office according to the Constitution? It was John Tyler, born March 29, 1790, three years after the creation of the United States in Charles City County, Virginia. Which means Virginia at that time was now a state. Right.

1:13:25He was the tenth U.S. President serving from 1841 to 1845. He was born a few years after the revolution in 1790, so he still meets the criteria. He, believe it or not, was against Andrew Jackson. He represented everything in politics that Tyler was against, especially the new voting power of the West when Jackson's government attempted to restrict slavery in New States, west of Missouri.

1:14:01Now, Tyler was totally against it and so much so that he refused to allow anybody who didn't have money to vote. It goes right back to the original where you had to have 50 pounds sterling or the equivalent in land before you could vote. therefore you could never be an elector, therefore the common man never created the Constitution. That's the proof right there.

1:14:38Now, so now we come on to with the House of Reps and everything like that and of course the technical language, I went through that. This is all what I have in my book. Now what I like is a quote is When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. Dresden James. That's why a lot of people look at what I write and the informer as raving lunatics. No, you can't do that. B-Craft attacks us constantly. Well, we ain't Brits and well, all right, we ain't Brits, but we're controlled by them.

1:15:24And just like in the case of, oh there's a couple of cases, but I put it in the New History book about Templeton. I told Templeton I'd fled with her. Don't argue that you're a U.S. citizen. I even sent her in my book, Which One Are You, for free to get her to realize she was screwing herself. What was this case in? This was a tax case, Rachel Templeton in Minnesota.

1:16:07Just like in Slater, the judge came out and said that she did not argue that she was not a U.S. citizen. Therefore, she was subject to the tax. It's right in the new history of America. I put the exact quote in there. Now, because of the way that people have got to realize that ignorance is ... There's a quote by the fellow on ignorance. It's really apropos by Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man.

1:16:52Let me read you his quote. Reason and ignorance, the opposites of each other, influence the great bulk of mankind. If either of these can be rendered sufficiently extensive in a country, the machinery of government goes easily on. Reason obeys itself and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. That means the people are so ignorant that they believe whatever is dictated to them. Sure, of course. Now, in the Bill of Rights, believe it or not, it only pertains to those people who wrote the con job for the Crown.

1:17:38The people of America, they can't fathom this because the Supreme Court in John Barron stated the Bill of Rights does not now or ever has been applied to the common man on the streets in the states. The people don't realize this. Let's start there. Again, restate. What about the Bill of Rights? We all cling to it. What's the deal with that? The Bill of Rights has its own preamble. It was not put into the Constitution. It has nothing to do with the Constitution. Its amendment that has its own preamble, so it is not amended and tacked onto the Constitution as if it's in the body of the Constitution.

1:18:19What does it exist at then? The people that didn't want it, the states would not allow that to happen and wouldn't vote on it. In fact, North Carolina didn't until the Bill of Rights was added to it. to supposedly protect the rights of the people. But all it did was to protect the rights not of the people in the states nor the states. It only protected the people that wrote it and those 207 inhabitants in Washington DC.

1:18:57Now, the reason why the Congress could buy the bankrupt corporations called Washington City Alexandria, Georgetown, and the District of Columbia in 1836 was due to the fact that the British Empire, the Crown, bought them. They gave the money to the Congress to buy those cities' bankruptcies. Where is the documentation for that transaction? It is in, I'll tell you where you can get it.

1:19:38See the report of the 24th Congress, first session, House of Representative number 269. It's 1836. It lays out to the penny the bankruptcy of each one of the corporations. They were corporations already. And the United States is a corporation so it absorbed those other corporations when it bought their bankruptcy up. So in other words, when people laughingly or tongue-in-cheekly refer to us as a plantation, we are in fact a plantation. That's right. We're a plantation because the plantation is an organized society under the British rule.

1:20:24Okay. All right. Now, if we can, and we're coming up almost on the bottom of the hour. Also, I may tell people how they can find out more about you in the books you have. I actually just go on ATG Press and look at the bottom of, click on the informer and scroll all the way down to the bottom, you'll see the whole list of books that are there and what their prices are and to send a blank U.S. postal money order, not any other kind. They had to correct it because I was getting so many postal money orders from 7-Eleven and all these other companies that there is none around here and I couldn't cash in because I had no ID. I don't carry no ID. It's U.S.

1:21:09postal money order only. They can write in everything but leave the pay to blank. And they keep the receipt because that's the only proof that they sent it. And whenever I send the books out, they're always sent out with confirmation delivery on it. So I know that a couple times when I hadn't done this and one time a guy said he never got the book. I did a trace on it and he got the book. He just wanted to rip off another book. One guy didn't like the fact that there was a red horse stamp on it which would prevent them from copying it.

1:21:52When they do copy it, it turns black unless they want to go and spend a lot of dollars to copy the whole book in color and then it's not worth it because they're spending more for a copy than they are buying the book. He sent the book back and said he didn't want it. I said, okay. He could have made a copy. I don't know. I gave him his money back. Put the points clear on how they can do it. Just follow the book. A lot of people talk about ignorance and dumb people. You think they could follow a simple book. direction on how and what to send and everything, but no, people don't.

1:22:36They're used to their own set ways of doing things, and they figure everybody else is that way, and they just do it. Okay, now let's get back to, if we could, and the time we have left, we have about another half hour or so, and we might run a little bit over, but to go back to the real nuts and bolts about this, and this is the thing that's being brought up time and time again, you know it, everybody out there knows it. and even those who castigate me or whatever, and that's fine, about this whole thing called the Constitution, how noble it is and what it is. But let me ask you this, let me just state this up front. All of us, we have no problem with the nation or whatever. What it is, is what it is.

1:23:21This is the way things are outside of divine law. Okay, we're here, we were brought up here. It could have been Norway. It could have been Spain, it could have been Bulgaria, we're here. Now, but the whole idea of nation states is about mercantilism. Now, aside from that, the Constitution, which all these people cleave to as if it's some kind of, I don't know, salvation. Unwritten law, yeah, their salvation, their protection and all this. All right, so what is the deal about the Constitution and why is it voodoo? Crap. And? Pure crap.

1:24:01They think that, I mean, it's a myth and it was put there to play on the people's mindset. Now, I mentioned at the top when we were first talking about that, Nancy Levitt. Yeah. Got it. Now, let me read you what she said, and it's pretty much on point, you know. So what we have now is, let me find it. Okay, now, think about this.

1:24:44All your listeners, think about it real hard. There are certain basic beliefs based on Christian tenets that do not change according to the times. the character or the integrity matter, then or now. God's law is God's law. Man's law changes at the whim of whatever he wants to do. Now, that's the solution is to go back to God's law, the natural law, but the misconduct as we see today continues and the Supreme Court supports it. It's like making a math problem mistake.

1:25:28You make a mistake in the very beginning and you continue on in the same order and the same error because you forgot that you made a mistake. You didn't know it. Honestly, you didn't know it. So all your math problems burst on the face of that first mistake. It grows and grows and it's never correct. No matter what the answer is given, it's never correct. That's exactly what we have with the Constitution today. What you're saying is that everybody acts because of that mistake and continues it exponentially. That's the myth that everything was divinely inspired by God-fearing people. These people were so afraid of God that they did what? They screwed the American people.

1:26:13They didn't care about God. They were worried about their money. That's all. Their property. Their material things. That's why you'll never see me or any other researcher give a solution. There's so many avenues that you can go to. It's either a peaceful way, daytime, or violent bloody revolution, which is nighttime, day and night. Totally different. So a lot of people, you can't give them a solution. They have to know what it is. And en masse, the solution, if everybody knew what was real truth, against myth and patriot mythology, they go out and hang everybody tomorrow.

1:26:56Let me bring you back to this because this is the core of it. There are more questions than I'm not ducking them whatsoever. I hope we have the time to continue with them. Here's what I'm going to say. We look at the Constitution and we see we the people and we think it's like we the people. No, because people, and here again, ignorance plays right into it. When I started this, I realized back in 1882 I had to read a dictionary as if it was a novel.

1:27:31Then when I found out that the Black's Law Dictionary and all other dictionaries are totally different than what the standard American dictionary was, I had to read that like a novel. Let me shut up you right there. What you're telling us is what you found. was that, and this is not a really big throw necessarily, is that the lexicon of the legal, quote, legal system is ... Like night and day. ... from what we, the little people, deal with. Yes. Uh-huh. You can pick up a standard dictionary and look at a word. Now go to Black's Law Dictionary and look at a term.

1:28:17It's written in terms. It's not written in law. It's a special art of writing. Now, this person that I was talking about, Nancy Levitt, quote, I tremble to listen to family and neighbors who comprehend nothing, but only regurgitate television news. I witness on a daily basis the unbearability of individual isolation, ignorance, and powerlessness which is the very antithesis of human potential.

1:28:50Now we all sit and wait for help from some magic economic source glowing from the TV light, which preaches nothing but moral and legal suppression to which we blindly submit. And our personal insignificance grows minute by minute as we give up self-management to strange new anonymous powers. An enormous and secret power over the whole of the country radiates from a television and truth be told, our society is not in control of the very forces it has created. Right here, I read this and I says, aha, she is still in a myth.

1:29:35Yeah, of course. These forces are in fact anonymous, secret, and very, very dark in nature. is a sad day to finally fathom that we have all been dedicated and devoted to aims and desires that are not our own. She's on to it, but not quite. Completely. We have forwarded all secret and anonymous agenda that our Americanism has always been a subjective disguise. We are not nor have ever been constitutional individuals. I says, oh, she's finally getting it. Not yet. We are our own real inalienable slaves.

1:30:17We are only and ever social slaves. Now here's what the last sentence, we are cogs and servants to the very machine that we the people built. End quote. We never built it because like I said, in English grammar, you only capitalize the first word or a proper noun of something that you want to talk about.

1:30:48You want to make sure that when you're talking about He, the man, like you talk about the Lord and you say in the next sentence, the reason why He, you capitalize He because you know that That's because you're talking about the Lord and only he said this, which goes on, and not some other he. Now, in the 1788 Virginia Debates, June 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th, you'll read Patrick Henry. He says, who gave you the authority to state we the people?

1:31:36And he quoted the P in people. Now, when you say the P in people, it means not the masses, because that would be small p. It means the elite, the aristocracy, those people that had the money that Tyler talked about. So therefore, we the people, we, comma, the people with a capital P means only a certain select few people, not the mass of people. So that's why her last sentence, she still believes in the myth. You can't break it.

1:32:15It's cognitive dissonance, which means that it is so far into the mind that it has a horrible time to assimilate it into the mind and throw off what has been believed for centuries. The Constitution really was an insurance policy that the elite Basically wrote to cover their asses? No, they had to write it because it was dictated by the Crown. Are we saying with a gun to their head? Yes, with a gun to their head. If the Crown wrote it, why, if the people wrote it, would the people stand for it?

1:33:06in the first place. But why didn't the founding fathers who were supposedly divinely inspired and wrote this to protect all the people, not just the elite, that's what everybody believes, why didn't they say to the British crown, look, screw you, you take your gold and you take your silver, we're not going to be bound by making gold and silver coins so you can control us better. We're going to write our own paper. We're going to bring in our own bank and be gone with you. We don't want nothing to do with you. They didn't do that, did they? They just put right in verbatim what the Crown wanted and dictated to them in 1751.

1:33:48Right there, it is a sub-corporation of the Crown. fully operating as if it's the crown in this country today. It is the crown that has put and installed the Federal Reserve, which is part of the crown. They were part of the first bank, part of the second bank. In the wildcat strikes and everything on all the banks in 1835 to 1841, before Tyler took over and he was a Whig. He was against the bank, the national bank, because he said it would cause so much problems, which it did.

1:34:29They eliminated the first sub-treasury of the United States that was ever put into place by the president before them and that became null and void until 1846 when they lost the office and they reinstituted the sub-treasury and it dealt in total spece which meant gold and silver to back whatever they put in paper in U.S. notes. What I want to do, too, is pick it up a bit because, again, you explain a lot of this on the site and also with the books you've written and that's the reason why you've written them.

1:35:10What I want to do is kind of skate across the thin ice of a new day only to let people know that, yeah, if they think you're being hoodoo, guess what, you're being hoodoo. Oh, yeah, they are, big time. So now we hear all this stuff and you know it and we've exchanged emails and most folks that are in here right now understand it also and that's like, Oh my God, why can't we get the Constitution back? We need this, we need that. The Constitution, okay, and I know we touched upon this a little bit before, but it's a fraud, but how does it still continue to be a fraud? The founding fathers are long gone. Who or what is that Constitution protecting at this very day? Those in power and the banking cartel, because Did any of those in the bailout and Wall Street and all the banking and Freddie May and all them, were they ever prosecuted?

1:36:04No. Well, there's your protection right there. Are we looking at the Constitution as it was with the founding fathers, giving them protection against basically the masses, are we looking at those same protections for those Those idiots, yeah, who are presiding in Congress. Yeah, because they could care less about us. Remember, they are representing not the people. When you go to vote and everybody jumps up and down and screams and yells and goes crazy, they are not voting for anybody.

1:36:39They are putting into office, they think they are, representatives, but those representatives don't represent them because if you read Dye Sanders Booner, you can very well see that I go down and I vote for a guy in the Congress in here in North Carolina, so you live in here too, and you go down and vote for him. We have divergent positions. You want something, I don't. How is he going to represent us? He can't. It's an impossibility. He represents the corporation because he is installed as a corporate officer, the board of directors. I'm in the perfect world.

1:37:20He would fathom what his constituency wants and they would tell him what they want and he would go back and represent them but it doesn't work like that. No, it don't work like that at all. The corporations have hooked these guys and they're all prostitutes. Yes, they are. Now, here's one thing that I'm going to read you right from the Jurisdiction and the Choice of Law. This is by Robertson on Admiralty and this book is not put in print. It was printed. and immediately after it was printed, it was banned. They could not print the book anymore. In the first place, Congress did not, in the Judiciary Act of 1789, create special courts such as admiralty or bankruptcy courts, with a jurisdiction limited to such matters.

1:38:05The admiralty jurisdiction was vested in the federal district courts. Still, by far, the most important jurisdiction vested in those courts was the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, and speaking colloquially, They were our admiralty courts. The federal district court were in this sense separate courts of admiralty and later of bankruptcy until 1911 when the circuit courts and district courts were merged. Now why did they have in 1789 to bring in the admiralty jurisdiction? Well, how is the crown going to control everything over here if it isn't under admiralty jurisdiction? They can't. It's an impossibility. So you're saying that the federal courts are all under admiralty? All of them, yes.

1:38:50Any argument that cases of admiralty in maritime jurisdiction constitute a specialized subject appropriate for determination of a separate and expert tribunal is drastically weakened by the presence of the right on the part of the plaintiffs in almost all such cases to pursue the course of action at their option in state courts or in federal diversity courts. Do you know that federal diversity courts that you can only use in federal diversity state law? He puts it right in here. State law.

1:39:22You must use the federal rules of civil procedure in 1966 unified all laws under federal rules of civil procedure and will furnish the necessary impetus for such rethinking of the problem. Are you saying then that state courts operate under federal law? Yes. They're all federal territories. The maritime claimant nowadays filed a civil action in the civil court, federal court. Let me ask you this too because we throw a lot of things around and let's clarify it right now. We talk about courts being equity courts. We talk about it being ablity. We talk about maritime. What's the difference if there's anything? Let's clarify that right now because it does get a little bit foggy. A little touchy, yeah. They're all the same.

1:40:09The body of this principle, that's under the Unification Act of 1966, they merged everything all together, admiralty rules, federal rules of civil procedure, everything. All right, where is that to be found? Title 28. And where would that be, in US codes or? Yeah, that's the very beginning. Read the very beginning opening pages, the introductory as you would say, in Title 28. Everything there is admiralty, maritime jurisdiction, everything. So what should people ask for if they're looking for what you're importing to us right now? OK, what it is is they can go and go to Colby, Admiralty Unification, 54GEOLJ, 1258 of 1966.

1:40:54Inside what volumes? US codes? No, you can get that in the library. I don't think you can get it on the internet. I don't know how to find where the book is, but you can get that. But under what title would that be? Title 28. So all title 28. All of title 28 is all the federal rules of civil procedure for amnesty, equity, contract, you name it. It's right there in title 28. But if somebody goes into the library and wants to check that out, what do they ask for?

1:41:36Benedict on Admiralty, Colby on Admiralty, Unification, because you won't get this book because it's banned, from Robertson, who is a university... So it's not going to be U.S. Codes or anything like that? No, it will be, no, because you've got to see how the US, oh, go on ATG Press and go into Admiralty and I have listed every Admiralty Rule and where it lies in Title 28 under a different code section. All right, in other words, it will take Admiralty Rule 30 and it will be applied to Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, I'm just off the top of my head thinking of that.

1:42:20The reason I'm saying this is because at least if you get people going in that direction, they can't turn around and say, okay, this is just who do. The thing is go take a look yourself. If you're all that concerned, go do it, as I did and others have. They've got to take a look and say, look, you're not the one who has concocted this stuff. You're a conduit through which information passes and it's going to be all lost in time. Right. Now, he puts in here on different pages. I'm going to read you one, page 93, footnote 76. A way to attack those in government.

1:42:58The terms of their master's contract, assuming you use the argument of the people of America, which is the Constitution and laws they love, we have a personam action that are bound by the Constitution by oath. They are, not you. And if no oath in fact, they are liable for fraud by omission and impersonation of an officer under the Constitution. The Constitution is a contract made on land, not by you, by the states. That's why Paddleford and Ford versus the city, a mayor of Savannah, Georgia, the Supreme Court said that No private man can complain of a breach of contract because he has not a party to the Constitution.

1:43:53But it doesn't only say that there, and that's why when I go back and forth with people, I give them that and barren. How much do you want to go into this? The point is, here is a statement. It isn't just a court's whim. This is the way things are and everybody overlooks it and the thing is, don't you understand? Okay, now this is... They don't understand it because they don't have the education to understand something at a 15 to 18 year grade level. Most people in America today by the Writers Guild and I have a woman who is going over this book and she is a teacher of English of adults in remedial training And she is writing a book herself.

1:44:38And I told her, I said, you know, this has got to be written at a fourth grade level because that's all people understand today. And she said, tell me about it. She says, I was shocked when I started teaching adults that they could not understand eighth grade level reading. But there's another thing also at foot here, and that is there are people who... They can read it, but they can't comprehend what the words are telling them. Well, okay, now let me just do a little pontification here and I want to get out of here as fast as possible because it's not about me. But here's two things that are going on here. We have a Patriot community, which I think we would consider ourselves part of, or alternative news. That's fine.

1:45:19But within that group, the ones who supposedly get it are clinging, and this is the reason why we do these shows I'm in, to the fact that the Constitution is going to be reinforced, we're going to get it back, blah, blah, blah. And the thing is the whole deal has been skewed against us from day one. Now, be that as it may, I think what you're dealing with more than a low reading level is cognitive dissonance and let's face it, and I can understand it. I can understand it. I couldn't believe it. I had no one to help me. I couldn't believe that I was a non-resident alien in tax law. non-resident alien to me. It was something so foreign that I'm not from another foreign country and all this. No, it's not.

1:46:04It's terms. It's not words that you think. And I was thinking, I was just like the people today. I had to learn, but I had to learn by myself. I was self-taught in this. I had a good education back in the 30s and 40s and 50s. Nothing like today. But back it up a bit. And you were a victim of this and I was too. We were very happy children. But the thing is, somewhere along the line, you have to get the nudge that things are not the way they told us. And we're not unhappy American citizens. We're glad to live here. I mean, you've got to live someplace. But the problem is that we've been told that we are the shining star with this and we're all that.

1:46:49And now we look at each other going, why is everybody hating us and such? And the other thing is people, and of course the Patriot community is asking, left and right now, I would like to direct the rest of the panel together with the fact that they're going, they can't figure out why the supposed constitutional protections are being revoked or not enforced. And my point to them all is because we never had them, you can't have something you never had. That's right. The fact we're under conquest since 1861 when Lincoln instituted himself 12 Stat 319 and told Congress to institute it just like Roosevelt was told by the Federal Reserve when they wrote the ... Are you there? Yeah, I'm here.

1:47:33Oh, I just sounded like he was quiet. Oh, no. I'm listening. Roosevelt ... The Federal Reserve wrote the Trading with the Enemy Act Amendment to the real trading of the enemy act in 1917 and presented it to Hoover at one o'clock in the morning on the 20th, I can't remember what day it was, it was in March. He says, no, it's unconstitutional because the Federal Reserve wrote it now and they made the American people the enemy of the banking cartel. Not the enemy of the state, there's already the enemy of the state. Schroeder did a good work, but he said that's when we made the enemy.

1:48:15No, we made the enemy in 12 Stat 319. We're now made the enemy of the banking cartel to protect them from the run on the banks. All right, so how many enemies do we face, the banking and the government institutions? Yeah, in other words, we're the enemy of the state under 12 Stat 319, which was never appealed. You can find it in War Powers when you go to Title 50. When you go to Title 28, look under section 2461 to 2465. That's when the IRS seizes property and takes estates and all this. And if you go back and search the originating statute, it will tell you 12 Stat 319, 1862.

1:48:59All right. Now, this is all stats. But what umbrella is this under? US Code? Oh, yeah, yeah. Because you go by the statutes at large. And you have to read the statutes at large. All US codes delete the trivia that they don't want you to know. And that's why you have to go to the statutes at large. And are you statutes at large, not the US code? Never argue US code. Always statutes at large. Because if you go to the statutes at large and look at USC 2465, or 2462, it'll tell you at the end that this action must be made as near as admiralty as possible.

1:49:49But when you go to the statutes at large, it tells you it's admiralty, maritime jurisdiction under tax law. Pure and simple. So what they did was they took admiralty and maritime and they brought it land side. Oh yeah, that was always done. And that's where you find in Benedictine Admiralty and most of the others. and in various cases like the Jackson and all them that you will find in American maritime code or the federal rules of decision. You will not find this in your standard law dictionaries or your standard cases that you can pull up on the internet. And it will tell you that since time immemorial of this country, All revenue cases are maritime jurisdiction under Admiralty law.

1:50:41It had to be. It's the law of Hammurabi, 1600 B.C. Take it to the present. The point is we're all still slight. Who's running the show? We are still in tow to something. And that's why Admiralty, I mean, you know, the thing we laughed about is because in the beginning, I, man, you know, we saw some people who wrote stuff who probably weren't diverse on it talking about, you know, gold fringe flags and how this was nasty and then it went back and forth.

1:51:16But, you know, in the end, despite all that, I took a look and I'm going, you know, this stuff is all over the place and it isn't just a decision because of the more, shall we say, decorous flag. They're telling you something. What it is, is that gold fringe flag is the commander of chief of the United States. Anytime you see the gold fringe flag flying in a court, it means that that is under war powers, under the control of the President of the United States, and all courts must abide by the rule of conquest that the President has decreed in 1862. Lincoln. We're all under conquest by the war powers that was first installed by Washington, then bought in by Lincoln, and finally by FDR, and every president since then has passed unwritten off on it as if it's still viable.

1:52:18Which it is, because the war was never declared over. The Civil War. All right, let me do this also and we'll finish up with kind of a lightning round where I'm not going to ask you at this advance to say things, but just so that people understand where it's at, a lot of questions that just need to have an answer. This will generate more questions. Yeah, and that's okay too, but that's why you're in this business, I guess. Yeah, but like I said, go to ATG Press and read a lot of the stuff in the form where I get many people that write to me and say, ìWhere can I find this and where can I find that?î I say, ìDid you try ATG Press yet?î No.

1:53:03Well, that answered their question. I didnít have to go and explain to them in an email and I said, ìIf you want to know everything else, go to Jane Montgomery, Knowledge of Freedom. Scroll down to his 25 answers to the questions that he got and that will lay out in space to anybody. And it's so clear that even at a fourth grade reading level, I think they could understand it. No, they can. No, they can. But they have to read it. But the average man on the street, really, not the Patriots. I'm talking the man on the street. No chance. The Patriots have to get rid of the myth that they have been under for centuries.

1:53:47And until they get rid of the myth that the Constitution is some wonderful document, and yada, yada, yada, and we need to reinstate our Constitution. No, you don't need to reinstate the Constitution because you're reinstating the subjection of the British Crown upon everybody if you do that. That's all it is. You're just taking that corporation and reinforcing the corporation's bylaws that only apply if written and has written to those not of our ilk. but to those that operate the system. It's their bylaws. We didn't have anything to do with it. We never signed it. It's a contract.

1:54:26Under Admiralty Law, the premise of the admiralty to seize the ship and the captain is that they seize the ship, not the corporation that owns the ship, but they seize the ship. And then the captain comes in to defend the ship. That's the personam jurisdiction. Bang, they got you. You come in and argue the contract on Internal revenue, you come in, bang, they got you because you are the ship of the captain and you're sunk. All right. All right.

1:54:59Well, we get a lot of things to go through and I will say by all means don't feel obliged to go deeply into this because I'm doing this deliberately to just get some kind of a feel on what's going on and folks can either email you or go to ATG Press or buy the books. Let's be fair about this, but just to take some interest and also not to do it necessarily so. Not to do this to bring this kind of attention to us, but let's face it. You've done the work. We do things. We are not commercial in our enterprise, but in a way also. Come on, folks, give us a break. I won't say anything more about it.

1:55:43Here's where we're going to go with this. The Constitution. Let me read you one thing before. Sure. This is from George Washington, May 1775. Exact quote from Washington. If you ever hear of me joining in any such measure as separation from Great Britain, you have my leave to set me down for everything wicked. He also said it is not wish or interest of the government. That means Massachusetts. or any other upon this continent separately or collectively to set up for independence." Do you know where you can get that?

1:56:23Ingersoll's North American Law Review, number two, August 1892, page 183. It's also quoted in the sources of the Constitution of the United States by Ellis Stevens, 1927, page 36. All right, let me do this. The Constitution, the founding fathers of Lawson's dead, who does it protect now? Only those in power like Bush, the congressmen, and the senators, and the upper echelon who never go to jail. But those who reside and preside in the District of Columbia. That's right. All right.

1:57:04Now, you look at the amendments, and a lot of the amendments look like they're directed toward we, the little people, because we had prohibition and prohibition rescinded and all this stuff. What do we do when we say that there is no constitutional protections for we the little people and yet we see these amendments pop up? How does that translate? That's the fraud that they use. They throw a bone to the people and every once in a while they'll allow some win that is nondescript, that ain't going to bother or upset their operation, so they allow a win. That's all. All right, so although those amendments did hold sway, I'm just picking these out because ... Oh, okay.

1:57:48Well, how they put those amendments in there is through the 14th Amendment. That's all. And under due process clause. And the due process clause by Felix Frankfurter says it's a matter of transcendental nonsense. Okay. Means nothing. All right, so although we see that... Yeah, it's only the due process that they will allow one to have. All right, so they can still enforce that because, like you said, it's allowed to have to be... Right, to be, yes. Okay, and one of the things I bring up also is that it's interesting that Padilla, no matter what you think about him, was a U.S.

1:58:29citizen who was drugged forever at no hippie escorpus, and it was like, well, what happened there? But nobody cared because he was supposed to be a rat ass. But it's like, well, no, he was supposedly given the right to due process. But here we have an example of, if you don't want to give it to him, he don't get it. That's true. Yeah, because it's a privilege. Right. And privileges can be extended and retracted. At will. And we, the people, do not, the little people, do not have rights. No, that's right. Same way with Social Security. They can retract that any time they want. They can wipe out Social Security tomorrow. You have no rights to it. You have no contract rights to it.

1:59:13You have no insurance rights to it. You have nothing. And I think they've already done that. Yeah, they will be pretty soon because was it you that said it about the pension plans? That they're going to be wiped out very shortly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that comes from a global situation. I'm not the first source. Obviously, we're looking at something very, very trepidate. Also, let me ask you this too. I'm looking at this also. We talked about the amendments. Let's get down to the bullet points. That is, we don't see this in our history books. This seems to be the province of those who would consider us conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hat wearers.

1:59:56Did, in fact, the United States government go where? to declare its bankruptcy in 1932? Well, the average person thinks it was bankrupt in 1932, but if they go on to AD Press and pick out the Geneva Convention rules and the books, which I put and I did get them, they're not in a set of books. They are in a set of telegrams and letters back and forth between the dignitaries And they never went bankrupt because even in one point in one of my books, you can read it on ATG Press, Firestone actually paid for a country's debt to the United States.

2:00:43Are we talking about the corporate tire guy? Yeah. Yeah. Firestone. And he came in and did what? He wiped out a country's debt? Yeah. I mean, he's a good guy, right? Oh, well, he bought the Yeah, and he turned it over to the United States for his tire company and for his business. It's one hand washes the other. Why do you think that the United States went over in Vietnam and tried to destroy that country? Why? Because what happened in 1933 or 2029, 30, 31?

2:01:25Firestone had rubber plantations over there. That's why Vietnam War was fought over the rubber plantation and France told the United States don't get involved, they won't win, but they had to go over there to protect the rubber plantations because tires are made by Buna and natural rubber. If you don't have the natural rubber, you won't have a tire that will last. Iman, have you ever seen the documentary hearts and minds.

2:01:57Well, it bears out what you just said, because at that time, the ambassador from France to what was called at that time Indonesia, actually, I mean, in this vintage documentary, looks winsomely into the camera and said, Dulles offered us not one, but two atom bombs to take care of the situation. And he just looks and he goes, not one. And, of course, then it goes on. I mean, so here you have a situation, like you said. I mean, it's all about money. It's all about corporations. Yeah, that's what it is. That's why we're in the bailout, what we're in. And everybody says, oh yeah, I didn't want the bailout. I didn't want the bailout for the $700 million.

2:02:42Let them all go belly up. So what? All right. Let me ask you this also, because as we go on, all right, as it affects us today, We overlook war powers, and we also overlook trading with the enemy in the banking situation. So let's take it top down. What about war powers? We're still under it, right? Oh, definitely, yes. They've never undeclared the war. The minute they undeclare the war, they would have to repeal 12 Stat 319, 12 USC 95A and B, and when I asked Ron Paul if he would do that if elected, he flat out said no. He knew exactly that if he did, they would lose control and be under peacetime.

2:03:25They would have to rescind all the laws that they made. In fact, if one really goes down to it and fights this, they can rescind all the laws, the sedition acts, and everything else that the first Congress put into effect because they weren't legally required to hold that office under the constitutional parameters. Right, you know, in the little knowledge I gained from being in graduate school about communication law, and we talked about this to some extent, going back to those bad old days in the First World War where Oliver Wendell Holmes kind of cast some kind of boats that he was not really too happy with, but still in all that happened, you know, who knows what the real truth was.

2:04:09What I'm asking you right now is, one, as I've stated to some people who are listening right now, not from the United States, we are under war powers so we never declare a war because we don't have to because we're in a perpetual state of war. That's number one. Let me ask you this to address that and I'll give you the B portion. Okay. Are we continually? Oh yeah, we're continually under war powers and we found that in Raleigh, North Carolina in 1996 when we went to the archives and found out that the right controls that were installed in in the 40s were still viable and when they tried to repeal the rent controls in North Carolina here, they said actually you couldn't do that because it's under the War Powers Act.

2:04:56That was in 1969. Secondly, we don't declare wars anymore and we're still just going on with our we don't really need Congress to declare war because it is out of their purview and we do just basically what we want to do. Yeah, what it is is the President declares the war and says the war and because for the conscience of him and everybody else and to make it look like it's real, they give it to Congress and if Congress wants to declare an actual war, they can, but they haven't. They haven't declared a war since 1941.

2:05:42That was the last time. That was the last time they actually declared a war. All the rest has been police actions, but under the War Powers Act of the President in control of the courts and everything else by the gold fringe flag. When you see the gold fringe flag in any building, whether it's a church or anybody else, I got to laugh when I go to church and I see the War Powers flag sitting up there. under the control of the, yeah, because they're all 501C3s anyway, so they're controlled by government. Well, the sad thing is that they don't even realize it, and they will sooner or later, but they don't really realize it right now. If you say anything to them, they think you're a, you know, wacky thing holding you where it is. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:06:23All right, now we have the bankruptcy, which of course did not really happen to us, but it happened on a, what you call it, A theoretical or a financial? A theoretical era because they had to protect the banks from going belly up because the banks stole everything and of course they are under the control of the United States and they are a U.S. person and therefore because they are given special treatment and given special statutory immunity They don't come under any laws that they can screw you over, they can kill you, they can do everything, and they're protected by the Constitution from any action against them, any at all.

2:07:17They can actually kill somebody and get away with it. I think we've seen that every day. Definitely. That's why they're all protected and all the ones in the financial system on Wall Street and all these businesses, they're never going to be prosecuted. No, they won't be prosecuted at all. All right, so let me just crystallize this if I can. We're dealing with the overlays of war powers, trading with the enemy. Now, the trading with the enemy, that involves the bankers, is that right? Oh yeah, because when you sign the signature card on there, A signature card gives them carte blanche over anything that you give to the bank, it's theirs, property, it's, we're only using Federal Reserve notes because they're trademarked and have a loan, have a lien on them when the minute they're issued and their obligations in the United States and you agree to all the debt, Title 14, look at Section 3, Section 4, you can't question the debt if you're a U.S.

2:08:23citizen. You're a slave. You're a subject. A British subject is the same as a U.S. citizen. All they did was transfer the subject over to being a citizen and everybody thinks, oh man, I'm a citizen now. I'm not a subject. Well, I'm sorry, but they're in it for a bad awakening when they realize that the United States citizen is a subject of the United States, which is a subject of the crown.

2:08:54When I wrote my book and I got it from Wake Forest University, the professor there, it's in the book and it's a verbatim quote when he said, the English man came over and said to him, how do you like taxation now with representation? Yeah. You know, honestly, without us ever being together again, even as a kid, I looked at this and going, well, what's the difference? Okay, so the Brits didn't tax us, but we taxed ourselves. And of course, I was like, you know, your history teacher was like, shut up. Yeah, right.

2:09:28Because, let's face it, if we, the people, the average Joe, created the Constitution, why would we put in to allow people to have the power to tax us? On our property, on our wages, on everything else? We wouldn't. All right, so what we're looking at really is that Even though there was some unrest on that amongst the colonists in the 13 colonies, then they finally had to go to blows. But in the end, really what happened was they exchanged their payments to the Crown directly, to the Crown indirectly.

2:10:07That's why on your IMF it has on the blocking code 300 and you read that and it's a tax treaty and it goes to 26 USC 1426. And that is the debt to the crown that is owed the United States that you as a taxpayer of the associated membership by being a U.S. citizen that you're subject and liable to the income tax. Because the Federal Reserve is only collecting through the private IRS Corporation which is private and in fact I have a letter to GAO and they finally did their audit of them.

2:10:44and admitted that they were a foreign corporation so I picked up on it from Walter Ben-Buren when he sent it to me and I wrote to the GAO and I asked specifically what foreign country was the IRS chartered in because I wrote to states and asked for the charter and asked if they were allowed to do business in the state of Nevada and the state of North Carolina and the Secretary of State sent back from both states a sealed document saying The IRS is not authorized to do any business in this state. All right. Now, this is going to sound some head spinning, and I understand that.

2:11:24I know there's some wars that are very hard to win, but I want to ask you as we lead the situation for at least this time, and let's be frank, and you've always been like that, so there's no problem here. I take a look at what's happening now and I'll just tell you today, a lady visit and I were biking and I looked at her because I've gotten some information. I'm sure you've gotten it too about what's going on globally. Now, I'll just say this statement and you deal with it the way you want to. Strike me down, that's fine. I don't care. People need to listen to the truth. I just said to her, I'm going, look, this financial situation with this supposed coming global depression is what I would consider the very first blunt stroke by the New World Order, the game has been joined.

2:12:15How do you feel about that? Yeah, because what it is, it wasn't over here. It wasn't the mortgages and all this, loans. It couldn't bring down the economy. No, it couldn't bring down the whole world. It is the Federal Reserve that is through the IMF, which is the UN, was created by the UN. You look in the books on ATG Press, on the Geneva Convention, it talks about the IRS in every country. Every country has an IRS and they call it IRS.

2:12:55It's under the auspices of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund who is running this country. and running every other country and they got greedy and with their unjust weight which is against natural law and the Bible and even against the law of nations which they didn't police themselves. They have squandered so much money internationally that this is what's causing all the chaos across the globe. So what we are seeing right now?

2:13:34Although it's being told to us I'm in that it's the give and take, the stern and drain, the yin and yang of the global economic system. I'll catch this my way and of course you can tell me I'm wrong. But what I said the lady this today when we were again out cycling and I'm like, no, this is all, all of a sudden now China's going down. The bankers as an extension of the NWO is now starting to They're doing this because they realize that they have put themselves in a destitute situation that they themselves can't even get out of it now.

2:14:18They played the market. They played the countries too much and made the loans and everything where they shouldn't have. Of course, they drug every country into it because every country is a member of it. It's not just the United States or America, it's global because, like I said, they played with the money so much because they could make so much more and now it's backfired on them and even they can't stop it. On an outgoing note, I'll say this. A lot of folks out there understand about the NWO, they understand the shape of things that come.

2:14:56They're not Christians, and I mean, again, that's a word you kind of don't want to use because... Yeah, it upsets them, but they are not really Christians. A Christian doesn't carry around just weights around in his pocket. No, I mean, but the thing is, as you understand, as I do, it's not a question of superiority or anything like that. The thing is that you know he lives. I'm sorry, but you know he lives. But the thing is, this is foretold. This is what's coming down. Be that as it may, folks may not want to buy into it or whatever.

2:15:27I guess for this time, for this segment we did, to instruct people as to what they could do, whether or not they believe on him or not, and that is what. Be a little more self-sufficient. Yeah, they would have to because they can't pray to him because he said, you choose me or Mammon. If you choose mammon, don't come crying to me, don't pray to me, because I can't help you. You live with what you wanted from your king, because I'm no longer your king. That's bottom line. Hey, there is no Christians in this world.

2:16:04But also, Iman, you answered something that I didn't even ask, and that is this whole idea when Christians get all crazy about defending Israel and all this other stuff. It's like, these nations were not drawn up by the Lord. The Lord stepped back and said, I do what you want to do. That's right. This is about mercantilism and it's about nation building for the purpose of making new markets. That's why he kicked the bankers out of the temple, didn't he? And what happened to him three days after? Yes, sedition and tax charges. That's why Pontius Pilate washed his hands because he refused to give jurisdiction to Caesar. So he was killed. So it's mobocracy. In law, the Romans could not touch him because he didn't grant them jurisdiction.

2:16:47And Pontius Pilate was really amazed that this man would never consent to, oh, just give the oath to Caesar and I'll protect you. And the Lord says, no. He wouldn't do it. He wouldn't do it. So what did they do? The traditional way they did it, they washed their hands. That's what they did. And he washed his hands so that he wouldn't have his blood on his hands, because the law couldn't touch him. So they turned him over to the mob, which is today's American ignorant person, who doesn't want us to tell him that the Constitution is not his God, and it ain't going to protect them, and yada, yada, yada. And he wrote that Constitution.

2:17:30And by golly, that's my Constitution, and I'm going to live by it. They're living by it. We've gone almost two and a half hours and I thank you, Iron Man, for going over. Folks, you've been very communicative with the things that are in the chat room and we're going to have more without a doubt. What we're telling you right now is that, I'll give you a last shot on this. Like I said before, I looked at my wife and I said, the NWO is in something off in the distance. It's not something we're talking about. It's here. It just kicked us in the balls. Excuse my phraseology. I know. I mean, and now the game has been joined, has it not? That's right.

2:18:14All right. Again, before we go, can you tell folks how they can get your website and the books and what kind of deal that might be if they're listening to the show? Yeah, okay. If they write in and they put, what's your dressing all? If they order the book and put Gracie Knoll, write Gracie Knoll on the order with your letter, whatever, and they'll get which one are you for 45, the big lie for 45, and the new history for 25, and that includes shipping. The books are normally 58, 58, and 32.

2:18:56I don't want it to last until February the 1st. That's cool. That's fine. I can't absorb any more law. No, that's okay. Let's help you get hit like crazy. That would be great. Yeah, that would be great. I'd have to go down to the printer and print some more because really I was selling so little that I had to make a deal with him that he wouldn't print any more books until I wanted them and then it would be by special order. So if they order it and I don't have it, I'm going to have to go down to the printer and say, hey, print me up one or two or three or four books or however many. And they're just going to have to wait until he gets them printed and then I can send them out. But they will go out. We have some thank yous for you from the chat room. I appreciate that.

2:19:40It says thank you on the man and that's cool. And we'll be in touch no doubt about it with time to come. But listen. You know, I never even asked you about this and I'm not going to put you to the trouble right now, but you know, I don't know how long you were out there before I found you, because you know, people like myself think like, okay, I found you today, so that means like you never were around. How long have you been doing this? Well, I wrote the first book, which one are you, in 1990. I really started it as a letter to the government, but by the time I got done with it, it ended up to a 207 page book.

2:20:20And the woman that, she was an older woman, I think she's still alive now and she's about 87 years old. And she told me, she says, you know what, why don't you, instead of making a letter and writing it to Congress, why don't you keep going and write a book on it. So that's what I did and that was 1990. The very first little pamphlet I put out was in 1986. Alright, folks, I mean this is not the end of the matter without a doubt, but we want to do something where If folks wanted to condense what was going on as best we could, and of course you cannot do it in two hours, you can't do it in 10 hours. You can't do it in a year.

2:21:00The idea was to let people know that this is real and also they can go ahead and they can find out more about this in the unsexy, shall we say, archives that are the US codes and the Congressional record where actually that is the story told about the US. Yeah, the best place is go to their state archive building in the capital and go back to the old dates on it and specifically look for 1931, 1933, more powers when it came into effect and get the presidential papers or the governor's papers and read the governor's papers and then highlight what you want and go up to the archivist and tell them, I want you to pull these documents, pull these documents and You got them all little tags so he goes up to the page number and he knows right where to go to get them and he brings them back to you.

2:21:51And then if you have to go further, go to the session laws of the Congress of that state. All right. I'm going to ask you this one more time because I see you all popping up and I'm not going to answer it. I want you to. And that is what are the prices for the books as it would pertain to this show? The ones that I gave the discount on? Oh, they were $58 a piece and I charge them now $45 and $58 and then $45 and the one new history was $32 and it's now $25. All right, so they want to go free. That includes the shipping. They can order one or two or three, whatever they want. They don't have to order just because they're on sale.

2:22:32The other books are just as good and they're smaller pamphlet books and this one here, I don't know when it's going to come out. Okay, and I mean, if it gets confusing, they can email you and you can work with them. Yeah, and all the rest of the stuff is on ATG Press is Free, because I could have made a book and charged it $3, $4, $5, $6 or more for it, but I just wanted to put it on for free so they wouldn't have to pay for it. And it's there for the taking, and I'm finding out that, yeah, there's some hits on there, but they only go on for like two to five minutes or even that. It's not enough to even read one article.

2:23:14I just get frustrated that people are going on there. They just look at it and don't even read the whole thing and try to comprehend what it says. A lot of times that answers their questions that they might have. Okay, I've got one more question. Let me just say this. Be frustrated, but it's good that people are coming around. I've got a question here that says, one more time, have him explain the money order. I think I can do that. Oh, on the U.S. Postal Money Order, when you get that, it will have on the left-hand side, pay to. On the other side, it will say sender. So you're writing your name and your address and all that.

2:23:58Leave the pay to completely blank because if I get it, I pay bills with it like a check. And it's good because everybody knows that the U.S. Postal Money Order has that money already given to them. and you just go in and they sign their name, I give it to them blank and they sign their ABC Corporation order and they take it and use it just like cash. Well the point is just, I mean go ahead and just... Because it is a money order. It's not a Federal Reserve order, it's a money order. Yeah, don't worry about anything else but just put what is it, A bar C? No, just leave that blank. Just send it. Just send it.

2:24:41And then they have the letter where they send it, and then they rip off on the back. The carbon, they take it to themselves. And keep the carbon in there. That's proof. That's proof. And if forever, for some reason, it gets lost, they go back and they hid this. And in three months, they cut them their check for whatever they sent. Right. We've done this all the time. It's not a big deal. So Randy, don't worry about it. Send it just as he said. If there's a problem, he'll make it right. We'll make it right. No doubt about it. It has to be a U.S. Postal Money Order.

2:25:15It can't be like a lower podunk post-off or 7-Eleven or some of these other weird stuff that I get from Western Union and all that. We just can't deal with it. That's okay. A couple times I had to send it back. Well, you haven't got a Canadian money order, which is the best of all. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, thanks for being with us. Happy holidays without a doubt. Okay. And we'll talk again soon, but I mean, we want this thing to be a primer to a certain extent. So thanks a lot, I'm Ann, for coming out. Okay. And thank you for having us. All right. Listen, Ann, you and yours and everybody else out there, really, through this holiday season and how you celebrate it, Hey, let it be healthy and let it be safe.

2:26:01Right. Alright. Thank you. Okay. See you later, bro. Alright. Bye-bye.

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